| 2008-09 | |||||||
| PLAYER | TM | Age | Cap hit | GP | W | Spct | |
| 1 | BIRON, MARTIN | PHI | 31.9 | 3.500 | 55 | 29 | 0.915 |
| 2 | ROLOSON, DWAYNE | EDM | 39.7 | 3.667 | 63 | 28 | 0.915 |
| 3 | KHABIBULIN, NIKOLAI | CHI | 36.5 | 6.750 | 42 | 25 | 0.919 |
| 4 | CLEMMENSEN, SCOTT | N.J | 31.9 | 0.500 | 40 | 25 | 0.917 |
| 5 | CONKLIN, TY | DET | 33.2 | 0.750 | 40 | 25 | 0.909 |
| 6 | FERNANDEZ, MANNY | BOS | 34.8 | 4.333 | 28 | 16 | 0.910 |
| 7 | ANDERSON, CRAIG | FLA | 28.1 | 0.550 | 31 | 15 | 0.924 |
| 8 | NIITTYMAKI, ANTERO | PHI | 29.0 | 1.225 | 32 | 15 | 0.912 |
| 9 | MACDONALD, JOEY | NYI | 29.4 | 0.488 | 49 | 14 | 0.901 |
| 10 | LEGACE, MANNY | STL | 36.4 | 2.150 | 29 | 13 | 0.885 |
| 11 | BOUCHER, BRIAN | S.J | 32.5 | 0.650 | 22 | 12 | 0.917 |
| 12 | JOHNSON, BRENT | WSH | 32.3 | 0.813 | 21 | 12 | 0.908 |
| 13 | RAYCROFT, ANDREW | COL | 29.2 | 0.800 | 31 | 12 | 0.892 |
| 14 | DANIS, YANN | NYI | 28.0 | 0.550 | 31 | 10 | 0.910 |
| 15 | GERBER, MARTIN | TOR | 34.8 | 3.700 | 26 | 10 | 0.902 |
| 16 | LABARBERA, JASON | VAN | 29.4 | 0.825 | 28 | 8 | 0.901 |
| 17 | GARON, MATHIEU | PIT | 31.5 | 1.100 | 19 | 8 | 0.894 |
| 18 | WEEKES, KEVIN | N.J | 34.2 | 0.688 | 16 | 7 | 0.920 |
| 19 | SANFORD, CURTIS | VAN | 29.7 | 0.650 | 19 | 7 | 0.906 |
| 20 | SABOURIN, DANY | EDM | 28.8 | 0.513 | 19 | 6 | 0.898 |
| 21 | JOSEPH, CURTIS | TOR | 42.2 | 0.700 | 21 | 5 | 0.869 |
| 22 | KOLZIG, OLAF | TOR | 39.2 | 2.500 | 8 | 2 | 0.898 |
| 23 | DUBIELEWICZ, WADE | CBJ | 30.4 | 0.500 | 3 | 1 | 0.870 |
29 June 2009
How much (good) goaltending is available this Wednesday?
Chris Pronger is a Flyer, but didn't need to be
25 June 2009
Crosspost: Detroit Red Wings 2009 draft preview
First of all, I expect the lucky draft pick will have a weird name, and probably be European. On top of that, he'll also have to be patient, because it usually takes a very long time for a youngster to get into the Wings' lineup. I've never checked the numbers, but I'd imagine the Wings probably end up with a lot of guys making debuts at about 2-3 years later than they would on most other teams. However, I think the Wings are on the brink of a major (at least for them) youth movement, with the no-longer increasing cap forcing them to let go of some older guys and replace them with (cheap!) quality depth from Grand Rapids that we've heard so much about for years.
One of the things that I thought was most shocking about the Cup Final this year (aside from the fact that the Wings lost) was how bad their defense looked. It was an ongoing problem throughout the regular season, and it seemed to right itself for a while in the playoffs, but it really came undone against the Penguins. I'll give Lidstrom a free pass, even though he was skating worse than me, because he had a busted testicle, and frankly, its the first time I've seen him NOT have a good series. That said, seeing Lidstrom so completely nullified out there was frankly pretty scary. I don't have much faith in Lilja/Lebda, and one good playoff run for Brad Stuart doesn't make me feel safe. Lidstrom's injury reminded everyone that he won't be around forever, and he won't always be the best defenseman in the NHL even while he's still around. I want a new defenseman who in about 2 years or so can step in to the roster spot left by Lidstrom's retirement, and replace Lebda/Lilja initially.
That said, I think the Wing's forward depth is going to get donkey punched this offseason. Basically, one of Hossa/Hudler will stay, and then a handful of forwards (like you, Samuelsson!) will get let go. On top of that, depending exactly where the cap finally sets at, a buyout or two might be necessary. I think in response to this, Ken Holland is going to grab a forward to help restock that part of the shelf. I won't argue with the master, but it won't make me feel as secure as replacing a couple of idiot defensemen would.
I don't think Detroit will be interested in a goaltender. Jimmy Howard, the "goalie of the future" for the last 5+ years, needs to either make the big club, or jump off a cliff. I've already given up hope on Jimmy Howard, but I'm very much interested in Daniel Larsson (gee, a Swede!). Frankly, I wouldn't be opposed to buying Ozzie out, and going with Howard/Larsson to fight it out for the spot between the pipes for the next 10 years.
Favorite Draft Day Memories?
Well, I'm not much for the NHL draft. I'm not much for prospects either. But as for draft steals? I won't go back too farI'd have to say getting the best defenseman in NHL history at #53 overall is a real good deal. Of course, getting a couple of the most complete players in the game right now at #171 (Datsyuk) and #210 (Zetterberg) is cool too. Part of that is certainly drafting the right players, but a lot of that also is the right developmental system. How many failures on other teams have flourished under the Detroit developmental systems?
Draft Day Busts?
It's hard to have busts when you're consistently picking in the lower parts of the 1st round, or trading those picks for "win now" pieces. But Jimmy Howard is one season away from getting on there in my book. We've been told he's the goalie of the future for a long time now, and yet the 64th overall pick in the 2003 Entry Draft has only 9 NHL appearances. At some point, especially with the carousel in the Detroit crease since Hasek's (first) retirement, shouldn't he have gotten a chance to sink or swim? Not many Red Wings prospects get significant hype on the way to the big club, but Howard has been one of the few, and that definitely sets him in my sights.
Soapbox time!
Could we please stop trying to tailor our sport to get a bunch of people who dislike hockey to like it? I mean, seriously. The game as it is right now is pretty good. Most of the game's problems are not necessarily problems with the game itself, but problems with the league, which are detracting from the product on the ice. Just because our game isn't getting constant coverage on ESPN like Terrell friggin Owens doesn't mean our game sucks. Just because some idiot columnists keep talking about how hockey isn't a real sport doesn't mean our game sucks. Just because our game is different doesn't mean our game sucks. And just because our game isn't as popular doesn't mean our game sucks.
Everyone is so worried about the casual sports fan. You wanna know a secret? The "casual sports fan" who cannot follow anything that Sportscenter doesn't shove down his throat is a dumbass, and we shouldn't give a damn about changing a game that we love in order to get him to tune in or to take it seriously. We're part of a secret club, and we all know a great secret, that the rest of the world is too stupid to pay attention to. I don't know if anything irritates me as much as people that think the game needs changed or the league needs to suck on the ESPN teat in order to somehow be important in the national sports scene.
Hockey is a grassroots thing, and the best thing the league can do to grow its revenues is to give those roots more time to grow and spread in a post lockout scene, and in the 90's expansion markets, where kids who were first introduced to the game are now getting old enough to have kids and introduce them to the game. We don't need to convince the casual fan. We just need to grow it ourselves. Support your local rink, or get one built in your city park. Donate your old equipment to charities. Play in a beer league, or even start one if you want. Make some babies and give 'em hockey sticks. Maybe its not flashy, but its true.
17 June 2009
Wing Killers: Chris Pronger
Posting over at the Cycle Like Sedins' ANA/DET miniblog this year, one of the things I did was examine Chris Pronger's reputation as a clutch performer against the Red Wings. These players are often called Wing-killers, and going into that series against the Ducks, Earl Sleek had been telling everyone who would listen that post-lockout, the story of the playoffs was either that Chris Pronger eliminates the Red Wings, or the Red Wings win the Stanley Cup. (Gee, that worked out well, huh?) I remembered Pronger's contributions on the 2006 Oilers and 2007 Ducks in both Detroit eliminations, but I also remembered St. Louis consistently coming up short against the Wings for several years in the late 90's and early 00's. I was curious to see if his dominance of the Wings was only particular to those two post-lockout teams or if there were signs of that dominance on those Blues teams as well.
My basic conclusion last time was that since he arrived as one of the top defensemen in the NHL, Pronger has been an absolute beast against the Wings. In 2000, Chris Pronger won the Hart and Norris trophies in the same year. That's another way of saying "this guy is one of the best in the game". Going from that point on in his career against the Wings, he posted some great numbers: 15 GP, 2-13-15 (1.0ppg), +9, 34 PIM, and those are just the easy counting numbers. There is no way to count how many times he frustrated the Wings in trying to mount an attack in his end of the ice.
If you compare this to some of the numbers I've taken a look at for points per game production in the playoffs, that 1.0 ppg for Pronger puts him in the top 25 of forwards, and in the top 2 for defensemen. I think its safe to say that contribution on that level qualifies Chris Pronger as a real Wing Killer. But since I made that post, Pronger has completed another series against the Wings, so lets add that data in, and see if his performance this year was in line with his past performances.
First, let's count off each battle:
1995-96 - 2nd round (1) Detroit vs (5) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 7
1996-97 - 1st round (3) Detroit vs (6) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 6
1997-98 - 2nd round (3) Detroit vs (4) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 6
2001-02 - 2nd round (1) Detroit vs (4) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 5
2005-06 - 1st round (1) Detroit vs (8) Edmonton, Edmonton wins in 6
2006-07 - 3rd round (1) Detroit vs (2) Anaheim, Anaheim wins in 6
2008-09 - 2nd round (2) Detroit vs (8) Anaheim, Detroit wins in 7
(Career record: 2-5 in series versus Detroit, 18-23 in games he has played against Detroit in the playoffs)
Now, we'll break it down into the individual game performances:
1995-96 2nd round (1) Detroit vs (5) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 7
G1: 0G 1A -1 4 shot 0 PIM
G2: 0G 1A -3 2 shot 4 PIM
G3: 0G 1A even 0 shot 2 PIM
G4: 0G 0A even 1 shot 0 PIM
G5: 0G 0A +1 1 shot 0 PIM
G6: 0G 0A even 3 shot 0 PIM
G7: 0G 0A even 0 shot 0 PIM
TOTAL: 0G 3A -3 11 shots 6 PIM
1996-97 1st round (3) Detroit vs (6) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 6
Unfortunately, it seems that box scores from the 1997 playoffs are not available. However, because the Blues lost to the Wings in the first round, we can get Pronger's total numbers for the series from his playoff numbers.
TOTAL: 1G 1A even 19 shots 22 PIM
1997-98 2nd round (3) Detroit vs (4) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 6
G1: 0G 1A +1 1 shot 2 PIM
G2: 0G 1A -1 1 shot 4 PIM
G3: 0G 1A -1 2 shot 2 PIM
G4: 0G 0A +1 3 shots 2 PIM
G5: 0G 0A even 1 shot 6 PIM
G6: 0G 1A -2 4 shot 0 PIM
TOTAL: 0G 4A -2 12 shots 16 PIM
2001-02 2nd round (1) Detroit vs (4) St. Louis, Detroit wins in 5
G1: 0G 0A even 3 shots 16 PIM (misconduct)
G2: 0G 1A +1 4 shot 0 PIM
G3: 0G 3A +2 1 shot 0 PIM
G4: 0G 1A even 1 shot 2 PIM (Torn ACL for trying to kill a one-legged Yzerman)
G5: DID NOT PLAY (Torn ACL)
TOTAL: 0G 5A +3 9 shots 18 PIM (Plus a torn ACL)
2005-06 1st round (1) Detroit vs (8) Edmonton, Edmonton wins in 6
G1: 1G 0A -2 2 shot 0 PIM
G2: 1G 1A +4 6 shot 0 PIM
G3: 0G 1A +1 1 shot 0 PIM
G4: 0G 0A even 4 shot 0 PIM
G5: 0G 3A even 0 shot 0 PIM
G6: 0G 0A +1 0 shot 4 PIM
TOTAL: 2G 5A +4 13 shots 4 PIM
2006-07 3rd round (1) Detroit vs (2) Anaheim, Anaheim wins in 6
G1: 0G 0A even 5 shot 0 PIM
G2: 0G 1A +1 5 shot 4 PIM
G3: 0G 0A even 3 shot 4 PIM (Niedermayer blamed for another 15 PIM)
G4: DID NOT PLAY (Suspended)
G5: 0G 1A even 3 shot 4 PIM
G6: 0G 1A +1 2 shot 0 PIM
TOTAL: 0G 3A +2 18 shots 12 PIM (Plus a suspension and should've had another 15 PIM)
2008-09 2nd round (2) Detroit vs (8) Anaheim, Detroit wins in 7
G1: 0G 2A -1 1 shot 0 PIM
G2: 1G 0A even 5 shot 0 PIM
G3: 0G 1A even 2 shot 4 PIM
G4: 0G 1A -1 2 shot 2 PIM
G5: 0G 0A -1 2 shot 0 PIM
G6: 0G 0A +1 2 shot 0 PIM
G7: 0G 1A even 2 shot 0 PIM
TOTAL: 1G 5A -2 16 shots 6 PIM
CAREER TOTAL: 41GP 4G-26A-30P +2 98SOG 84PIM
Just a quick glance at these series illustrates that Pronger did much better when he was not in St. Louis, and that especially his early years on the Blues, before he established himself as a top defenseman in the NHL, dragged his career averages down a lot. With that in mind, I did a split for Pronger based on his STL teams versus his non-STL teams. Updated to include 2008-09, this split looks like so:
Pronger (STL): 23 GP / 1G 13A 14P (0.61ppg) / -2 / 62 PIM (2.70 PIM/game)
Pronger (EDM/ANA): 18 GP / 3G 13A 16P (0.89ppg) / +4 / 22 PIM (1.22 PIM/game)
This clearly shows us a pretty big difference in performance between what Pronger did against the Wings in St. Louis versus what he did in Anaheim and Edmonton, where his only series wins against Detroit occurred. However, the majority of Pronger’s STL/DET matchups happened in three consecutive years, from 1996-98, when he was definitely a rising star, but had not completely taken the reins from Al MacInnis as top dog on the St. Louis blue line. Also, St. Louis’ peak years as a team came from a period of time from about 1999-2002, indicating that the team around Pronger got better after those three straight losses to the Wings. This peak for the team coincided with Pronger’s arrival as one of the top defensemen in the league. A split of pre-Norris Pronger vs post-Norris Pronger might give us a better idea of what sort of performances Pronger has offered since fully realizing his potential.
Pronger (1996-98): 19 GP / 1G 8A 9P (0.47ppg) / -5 / 44 PIM (2.32 PIM/game)
Pronger (2002-09): 22 GP / 3G 18A 21P (0.95ppg) / +7 / 40 PIM (1.82 PIM/game)
That’s a pretty remarkable difference right there. Twice as many ppg, putting Pronger on a pace that would keep him among the top forwards in the league, and at the top of the heap for defensemen. Its hard to put together some of his non-counting numbers here, because those numbers have only recently started to be tracked, but from my own observations, I think its pretty safe to say that the non-counting end of his game (specifically keeping the Wings out of his net, and preferably putting them on the ground) improved just as much through these splits. One of the best examples of this is the fact that in the 2007 series win by Anaheim, Pronger was only on the ice for one goal against in 5 games, that being a short handed goal. That, despite being on the ice for 156:42 (22:34 of which was shorthanded) in the 5 games of that series he appeared in. That’s not just impressive, its downright Herculean.
The only weakness that has been evident in Pronger’s play is his propensity for taking penalties, but even much of that has diminished with time and experience. In his days in STL, Pronger was averaging well over a single minor penalty a game. Considering that he is such a key penalty killer for his teams, his being in the box becomeseven worse, because the team goes shorthanded, and does so without one of the best penalty killers in the league. In his last three series against the Wings, from 2006-09, he’s averaging a little over half a minor penalty per game. In this same time period, he is also playing very close to half the game on the ice, so the fact that his PIMs have come down as his ice time goes up makes him a more and more reliable workhorse for his teams.
I always knew Pronger was a good player against the Wings, but seeing the magnitude of his contributions and seeing them actually quantified, frankly, has given me a whole new level of respect for the guy. I still hate his guts, but I’ve got to give him props for being able to play on such a level against one of the perennially great teams in Detroit.
Wing Killers is a feature I would like to continue, by taking a look at some other key players who have developed a reputation for being able to put the boots to the Wings. Adam Deadmarsh is one who comes to mind. If you have any other requests or suggestions, be sure to let me know.